Anthony \u201cVan\u201d Jones and his twin sister, Angela, were born on September 20, 1968 in Jackson, Tennessee to Loretta and the late Willie Jones, a teacher and principal, respectively. Van graduated from the University of Tennessee with a bachelor\u2019s degree in communications and political science, before earning a Juris Doctor at Yale Law School.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
A clean energy pioneer and author of the eco-employment best-seller \u201cThe Green-Collar Economy,\u201d he was invited by the Obama Administration to serve as Green Czar. But Van decided to resign from the post in the wake of a relentless, right-wing smear campaign which accused him of everything from being a Communist to signing a petition suggesting that the Bush Administration had knowingly permitted the terrorist attacks on 9\/11 to transpire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Jones is currently teaching at Princeton University, where he holds a joint appointment at both the Center for African-American Studies and the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in the Program for Science, Technology and Environmental Policy. He is also serving as a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and as a Senior Policy Advisor at Green for All.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Here, he talks about all of the above, and about his appearance in Carbon Nation, a cautionary documentary about the consequences of climate change. The film opens in theaters in New York City on February 11, and will open elsewhere around the country later in the month and in March before becoming available on DVD in April. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
Kam Williams:<\/strong> Hi Van, thanks for the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Van Jones:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: My readers sent in a lot of questions for you. I\u2019ll start with Sam Chekwas, who asks: What interested you in appearing in Carbon Nation?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Back in 2007, I met this white guy [director Peter Byck] with a lot of hair and a video camera, at a conference that I happened to be attending for the launch of an organization called Blacks in Green. I had never heard of him and Peter had never heard of me. We just started talking; he liked what I had to say, so he asked me if I\u2019d be willing to be in this documentary he was doing about carbon pollution. I said, \u201cSure!\u201d It was kind of a no-brainer. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Before you got interested in environmental issues, you started the Bay Area Police Watch, a San Francisco-based organization with an emergency hotline and a lawyer referral service for victims of police abuse. What inspired that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I saw in the Nineties that we were increasing police power with get tough policies and 3 strikes laws, but without additional oversights. I had this radical idea that the police should obey the law. My view was that any human system without adequate checks and balances will tend towards corruption and abuse. That\u2019s why you have meat inspectors. Not because you hate butchers, but because of an understanding of human nature. Similarly, I felt like you gotta have some oversight of law enforcement. And though the rampant racial injustices throughout the criminal justice system were offensive to me and to millions of other people, I\u2019ve never drawn a tight circle around the black community to define the limits of my moral concern. But that narrative tends to get imposed on you, if you\u2019re an African-American activist. But in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, we did create \u201cColor of Change\u201d, an organization which focused on African-Americans in particular, because we felt that there was a big gap there in terms of online advocacy which had left the black community particularly vulnerable. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Preston Edwards, Sr., asks: Where are the jobs in the Green Economy? In which industries? Who are some of the larger employers? What are some of the entry-level jobs?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: There are 80,000 jobs in the wind energy industry right now. And you can quadruple that number, if you have the right policy in place to promote clean energy. There are about 46,000 jobs supported by the solar industry right now. That\u2019s fewer than it should be, too. And you have a whole other set of jobs in energy-efficiency in buildings and in creating the \u201cSmart Grid,\u201d as we call it. There\u2019s also manufacturing smart batteries and bio-fuels, Those are just the energy jobs. Then we have the water, food and other industries which are also experiencing some redirection. As far as employers who are hiring, Vestas is a big wind company, and Solyndra is a solar power company. But some of these companies are starting to struggle in the absence of America\u2019s committing to a cleaner future by way of Congressional action. The prospects of green economic opportunity are going to be determined to a great extent by politicians arriving at some sort of bi-partisan resolution. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Ben Thypin asks: How do you respond to those who say that green jobs are, at best, limited in their potential impact in terms of the number of and quality of jobs created and, at worst, \u201cmake-work\u201d jobs that form just one part of the grand socialist apparatus designed to crush the private sector and, implicitly, all that is patriotic and holy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ:<\/strong> [Laughs] That\u2019s funny. I used to be called the \u201cGreen Jack Kemp\u201d because of my promotion of entrepreneurial and work-based solutions for poor people. As champions of green jobs, we\u2019re asking questions that progressives should like, like \u201cHow are we going to avoid baking the planet,\u201d and \u201cHow are we going to create jobs for ordinary Americans?\u201d Meanwhile, we\u2019re offering solutions that conservatives should like. I\u2019m not calling for more welfare; I\u2019m calling for more work. I\u2019m not asking for more entitlement programs; I\u2019m asking for more enterprise. I\u2019m not calling for redistributing wealth; I\u2019m calling for reinvigorating our stuck energy sector, so some new entrepreneurs can create some new wealth.\u201d Right now, when you go and hit the light switch in your house, you\u2019re participating in a state-protected monopoly. You\u2019re being forced to accept dirty power from a single producer. I\u2019m the guy that\u2019s trying to break up that monopoly to introduce free enterprise and competition to the energy sector. I\u2019m saying you should have the right not only to be an energy consumer but an energy producer. Follow the money to understand why my message keeps getting drowned out. Big oil and big coal are terrified by the green jobs message. We\u2019re just trying to end illegitimate government support for a single technology, which is un-American. We should be leading the world in the next generation of technological innovation. But we can\u2019t unleash private capital because of what the government is doing to stifle innovation and to choke competition. The government built the grid to favor one industry over others. But I don\u2019t hear any conservatives screaming about that. Folks don\u2019t understand that the elite economic interests that are holding them down are also feeding them a bunch of lies. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Attorney Bernadette Beekman asks: How would you assess the state of the union?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I think there\u2019s going to be a tug of war in this country over who are the real patriots because at a time of national crisis, economic collapse and calamity, ecological peril and social dislocation, the American people deserve to be a partner to the American government. Nobody wants a nanny state, where the government is stamping out initiative and telling us what to do, but the idea that the only alternative to that is to throw the American people overboard into a global economy with no protections to cushion us from some of these blows is absurd on its face. That\u2019s why I think there\u2019s been a concerted effort to distort my message. When you hear me speak beyond the sound bites taken out of context, I think I make a lot of sense to people, even those in Red States like the one where I grew up. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Children\u2019s book author Irene Smalls asks: Has your approach to fighting for change changed since you left the Obama Administration?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I hope everybody\u2019s getting smarter. I\u2019m learning and changing all the time, and I expect to continue doing so my entire life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Irene also asks: What do you think is the one environmental thing this country has to get right in the next ten years?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Carbon. We\u2019re going to bake this planet, and be a curse to all species, including our own, if we don\u2019t find an alternative to carbon-based fuel. That\u2019s the #1 problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Irene says: I don\u2019t hear many young people talking about green jobs. How do you feel you can make green jobs \u201csexy\u201d to appeal to young, poor unemployed or underemployed youth?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: The problem isn\u2019t that the green jobs aren\u2019t sexy enough. It\u2019s that they\u2019re not plentiful enough. A young person looking for a job isn\u2019t looking just for a sexy job, they are looking for any job. And, unfortunately, we have a 50% unemployment rate among our urban youth of color. It\u2019s not about making green jobs more attractive. It\u2019s about making them more available. And that requires Congress passing legislation that will give a real break to the people who want to introduce new technologies to the American marketplace.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Lois Clark asks: Do you have any resentment about being made a sacrificial lamb in the Fox News wars against President Obama?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: There\u2019s no higher honor, in my estimation, than being asked to serve in the White House. I learned more in those six months than in the prior six years. I don\u2019t think that anybody who has had the privilege to serve the country at that level should walk out and behave like a crybaby. And I plan to continue to serve the country in other capacities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Teri Emerson says: I would like to know if, looking back, you have any regrets about resigning your position at the White House; and whether the President fought at all for you to stay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: No, I don\u2019t have any regrets about resigning. Once it became clear to me that the right-wing was not going to let me serve in the way I wanted to serve, I resigned. I didn\u2019t ask President Obama to defend me. His focusing on getting healthcare passed so every baby in the nation could see a doctor was far more important than his having to explain every aspect of my colorful past.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Ilene Proctor asks: How would you surmount the unhinged, right-wing, Republican\/corporate coalition coming into power this year which vehemently clings to their denial of climate change that puts our whole planet in peril?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I think we were na\u00efve during the first two years of the Obama Administration because the Republicans didn\u2019t fight us on this point during the 2008 Presidential Election. Obama and McCain both ran on a clean energy platform. But now, uncontested lies have eroded hard-won public understanding. So, we have to go back and make the case again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Larry Greenberg says: I sometimes hear corporate polluting compared to littering. Is there a better simile, one that could inspire real action?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: To me, that analogy is inspiring. Ordinary Americans can\u2019t pollute for free. You can\u2019t dump your trash on the sidewalk or throw all your refuse into your neighbor\u2019s yard. I don\u2019t understand why corporate polluters should be allowed to dump megatons of carbon, the most dangerous pollution in the history of the world, into our thin shell of an atmosphere, and not pay a penny to do it. So, from my point of view, it is a very motivating framework. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Legist\/Editor Patricia Turnier asks: What advice do you have for attorneys who want to climb the ladder of success by becoming a partner in a big law firm?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I wouldn\u2019t know. That isn\u2019t the route I went.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Patricia has another question: Latinos and African-Americans of West Harlem are exposed to dumping grounds for noxious facilities and unwanted land uses. This situation creates serious health problems such as lung diseases. The New York City asthma death rate is higher than any other city in the U.S. As an environmentalist and as a lawyer which riders and other measures are needed to correct this phenomenon?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I don\u2019t like to comment on a specific local issue because there are plenty of people already working on the problem who know a lot more about it than I do. In this case, Patricia should reach out to We Act, a great Harlem-based environmental justice group.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Reverend Florine Thompson asks: Who or what has been your greatest source of inspiration and encouragement in life?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: That\u2019s a good question. I have many sources of inspiration. I\u2019d have to point to Dr. Martin Luther King, first and foremost. But my parents were good, hardworking folks who kept us in the church and the public schools, and out of trouble, for the most part. Along the way, I\u2019ve had a chance to meet some of my civil rights heroes and, more recently, members of the young generation around Obama, people in their teens and twenties who were determined to make history and who were too idealistic to think that what they were trying to do might be impossible. They proved that visionary pragmatism can win over the majority. That comes from a particular place in your heart that generation Y is offering America. They just can\u2019t afford to be na\u00efve now, in terms of the ferocity of the opposition. They give me a lot of inspiration and so does being a father, which has really made me much more committed to trying to solve these problems, and not just to protesting them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Reverend Thompson has a follow-up: What do you see as the role of \u201cThe Church\u201d in this new green economy? How should the Black Church, which is basically the largest people base in the African-American community, begin to forge a foothold in the green market?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: First of all, fighting for and defending the values from the pulpit is critical. You can\u2019t love the Creator, and disrespect the creation. We have to make that very clear as people of faith. So, we have to heed our Biblical obligation to be good stewards of the Earth after leaving the Garden of Eden. And secondly, it\u2019s time to start bringing the congregations down to City Hall and to ask the mayors, the city councils and the school boards, \u201cWhat\u2019s the plan? What\u2019s the local government going to do for us?\u201d There are some cities that are doing good stuff, but there aren\u2019t enough of them. If you don\u2019t fight for what you want, then you deserve what you get. And in politics, if you don\u2019t ask, you don\u2019t get at all. In addition, black folks need to attend green conferences, too. We just self-segregate and don\u2019t go. They might even waive your fee if you apply on a diversity basis, because they\u2019d be so shocked to see somebody from a different background wanting to be a part of the green movement. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The Tasha Smith question: Are you ever afraid?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: All humans have fear, and those of us who are fortunate have faith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The Columbus Short question: Are you happy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I\u2019m happier than I was in 2009.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The Teri Emerson question: When was the last time you had a good laugh?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Yesterday, dealing with my two year-old son who is certifiably insane.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: What is your guiltiest pleasure?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Pop Tarts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The bookworm Troy Johnson question: What was the last book you read?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Mad as Hell, which is about the Tea Party. http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/0061995231\/ref<\/a>=nosim\/thslfofire-20<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The music maven Heather Covington question: What are you listening to on your iPod? <\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Mad as Hell. I\u2019m listening to it on audio book.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: What is your favorite dish to cook?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Scrambled eggs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: When you look in the mirror, what do you see?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Indescribable gorgeousness!<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The Ling-Ju Yen question: What is your earliest childhood memory?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Shirley Chisholm speaking at the 1972 Democratic National Convention. I was almost four.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Is there any question no one ever asks you, that you wish someone would?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Yes, \u201cDid you sign that petition implicating the Bush Administration in 9\/11?\u201d Because I never signed it, and I hate being vilified for a controversial idea I never espoused. The reason they love to beat on that drum is because it\u2019s so discrediting. In a two-year period, all my dreams came true: the birth of a son\u2026 publishing a best-selling book\u2026 launching a successful organization\u2026 joining the Obama Administration\u2026 And then all my nightmares came true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: What advice do you have for anyone who wants to follow in your footsteps?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Trust your intuition and be resilient. If you have real breakout ideas, even your friends will laugh at you secretly until you can prove their viability. I\u2019ve never launched any initiative or campaign that people thought was a slam dunk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The Dul\u00e9 Hill question. Do you attribute your success to yourself or to God? <\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: To the God in myself is probably the most honest answer. I think everybody has a divine destiny. There\u2019s the God within and the God without, and you have to attend to the alignment of the two of them. <\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: The Tavis Smiley question: How do you want to be remembered? What do you want your legacy to be, and where are you in relation to that at this point in your life?<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: I want to be remembered as one of the great innovators among social justice advocates of the 21st Century. I\u2019m only 42, and I\u2019ve got a lot more tricks up my sleeve.<\/p>\n\n\n\n KW<\/strong>: Thanks again, Van, and best of luck with all your future endeavors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ<\/strong>: Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n To purchase a copy of Van Jones\u2019 book, \u201cThe Green-Collar Economy,\u201d visit:<\/p>\n\n\n\n